Timeline for Has Japanese syntax changed between the 1950s and today?
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| May 24, 2022 at 17:11 | comment | added | Eddie Kal | @naruto on negation of adjectives: (4) in the 1st ed. only one form is taught: おもしろくありませんでした (p100); in comparison, the 2nd ed. p132 さむくなかったです, and only mentions さむくありませんでした in a parenthetical. | |
| May 24, 2022 at 17:00 | comment | added | Eddie Kal | @JimmyYang I can't find the 3rd edition online, but here's how the 1st and 2nd editions differ: (1) 1st ed. pp 37-38: やまださんはがくせいじゃありません and that's the only form taught. 2rd ed. pp 65-66: やまださんはがくせいじゃないです The 2nd ed. only mentions じゃありません・ではありません in passing later. (2) 1st ed. p80 the past tense of XはYです is taught as present tense じゃありません/past tense じゃありませんでした and makes sure to mention ではありません・ではありませんでした. 2rd ed. p110 the form taught is じゃないです・じゃなかったです. And じゃありません・じゃありませんでした etc. are footnoted. (3) for verbs the 2nd edition mentions なかったです: 帰らなかったです while the 1st doesn't have that part. | |
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| May 24, 2022 at 2:30 | comment | added | naruto | @EddieKal Perhaps you're talking about 嬉しく(は)ありませんでした vs 嬉しくなかったです, for example? The latter still sounds "unsophisticated in formal written documents" to me, but I understand it's better as a starter for learners. | |
| May 24, 2022 at 2:28 | comment | added | Eddie Kal | @JimmyYang I'm sure it's discussed but like I said, Genki I first edition doesn't even explain ないです. And that's one of the major changes the second edition included. | |
| May 24, 2022 at 2:27 | comment | added | Jimmy Yang | @EddieKal Really? I remember learning about ません/ませんでした and ではありません in Genki I third edition. | |
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| May 24, 2022 at 2:16 | comment | added | Eddie Kal | One of the things I noticed in Japanese textbooks is a lot of new books or new editions ditched ません/ませんでした and ではありません/ではありませんでした in favor of ないです/なかったです and じゃないです/じゃなかったです. The first edition of Genki still only taught ません/ませんでした IIRC. | |
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