Timeline for What's the origin of "さ", the nonsubjective (dunno how to call it nominalizer)
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| Aug 28, 2023 at 17:52 | vote | accept | Star Peep | ||
| Apr 30, 2022 at 4:21 | history | edited | sundowner |
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| Apr 30, 2022 at 4:16 | answer | added | sundowner | timeline score: 2 | |
| Apr 21, 2022 at 22:50 | comment | added | Eiríkr Útlendi | Digging around in the 日本国語大辞典【にほんこくごだいじてん】 (NKD) entry for suffix ～さ (search or scroll to the section marked 〘接尾〙), I see in sense [三] that this might be related to the さ in さま ("resemblance, way, likeness"), which suggests a connection to さ ("like that, in that way"), precursor to modern そう. However, I don't see anything in that entry that explicitly says this. The Kotobank version of the NKD is abridged, however -- I wonder if someone with access to a fuller version of the NKD might find additional details? | |
| Apr 21, 2022 at 22:27 | comment | added | Star Peep | well there might not be an answer | |
| Apr 21, 2022 at 22:27 | comment | added | Star Peep | oh i didnt know that its the same as the volitional! | |
| Apr 21, 2022 at 22:17 | comment | added | Eiríkr Útlendi | In Old Japanese, we do see examples of noun formation via verbs taking the -a ending, such as 塚【つか】 ("hill, mound") from verb 築【つ】く ("to build up into a structure"). I wonder if the "objective amount or degree" nominalizing suffix ～さ for adjectives might be a similar kind of shift from the adjective terminal ending ～し? This is purely speculative, and I am uncertain if any academic author might have explored this possibility. | |
| Apr 21, 2022 at 22:12 | comment | added | Eiríkr Útlendi | The auxiliary verb suffix ～む appears to be the same thing (derivationally, at least) as the volitional / suppositional / hortative suffix ～む that turned into the common -ō ending in modern Japanese. The underlying sense seems to be "seems like, looks like". I suspect this is ultimately the same root as in 目【め】 and 見【み】る. | |
| Apr 21, 2022 at 19:10 | history | asked | Star Peep | CC BY-SA 4.0 |