Questions tagged [relative-clauses]

連体修飾節(関係節). A type of subordinate clause which modifies a noun phrase.

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How does the の work in 「日本人の知らない日本語」?

I've read that 日本人の知らない日本語 translates to: "Japanese (language) that Japanese (people) don't know". But I don't understand how or what the の does in that sentence. If I'm not mistaken 知らない日本語 could ...
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“太ってる猫” vs “太った猫”

I saw this sentence and its translation in a textbook 彼女は太った猫が好きじゃない。 She doesn't like fat cats I was under the impression that 「太ってる猫」 means something like “cat that is in the state of becoming ...
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Relative clauses distinguishing whom/with which/that

I love in Japanese, how adjectival clauses are just added in front of nouns like adjectives. The pizza that I ate = 私が食べたピザ But last night I became confused... In english we have words to link the ...
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What are the general principles of using verbs to modify nouns (e.g. 焦げるトースト/焦げたトースト)?

In all the time I've studied the language, I've never heard or seen anybody even hint at whether the principles from a given language (like using “burnt toast” vs. “burning toast”) carry over, or if ...
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Are Japanese modifiers “greedy”, “anti-greedy”, or do they mean whatever people choose them to mean?

(I'm a beginner. I just started learning Japanese about a month before I wrote this.) The Japanese Wikipedia article 飛べない鳥, which corresponds to the English Wikipedia article Flightless bird, has the ...
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How to appropriately pair tenses in subordinate and main clauses?

Consider the following combination. Which is the correct one? テレビが私の国で 《できた》 のは1960 《です》。 テレビが私の国で 《できる》 のは1960 《です》。 テレビが私の国で 《できた》 のは1960 《でした》。 テレビが私の国で 《できる》 のは1960 《でした》。 Note: The important ...
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How does the present tense work in a relative clause?

そんなわけで、まだ日も暮れない夕方の通学路を、駅に向かってゆっくりと歩く俺と加藤。 I encountered this quote in a light novel and am stuck on how to interpret it. It feels like 歩く should be "walking" in this context, but it is not 歩いている. The ...
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Relative clauses types and confusion

I was reading Japanese:Revised edition by Shoichi Iwasaki And he talks about 4 types of relative clauses. A)“Cased Head” Type (Relative Clause): the head noun bears some case relation to the ...
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relative clauses without verbs

I read a sentence in Naruto that challenged some of my ideas about how Japanese works, and I'd like to try and clear this up. I can only assume that アナタがピンチの時 means "when you're in a pinch". First of ...
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Attributive だろう

I came across this sentence (下町ロケット, p.239): 「どうだ、そろそろウチに戻ってこないか」 そんなことをいいはじめたのは、六十五歳を過ぎ、体力的な衰えを感じはじめただろう頃だ。 Meaning-wise, it seems hard to imagine it means anything other than 感じはじめた頃だろう. ...
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What is the difference between using ている、ていた、た in relative clauses?

I remember seeing in the thread before that there was no difference between ている and た. So then what would be the difference between the usage of them in these sentences below? 最後に立っていたものが勝者だ ...
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「悪気があっての答え」 vs 「悪気がある答え」

Hi all I was wondering what is the difference between these two sentences: 「決して悪気があっての回答ではないです。」 「決して悪気がある回答ではないです。」 I can't really make out the gist of the meaning of 「あっての」. WWWJDIC's ...
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『僕だけがいない街』Is it grammatically correct?

I would like to know if the anime's title " boku dake ga inai machi " grammatically correct? It's quite confusing because the verb ”いる” in negative form, should be the last word as long as I know. 街 ...
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How to unambiguously express sentences with lots of relative propositions?

Background, problem statement Very often, I find myself in situations where I have to build structurally complex sentences in Japanese, and find myself struggling, trying to put all I want to say in ...
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Adnominalisation (Relative clause - noun - copula structure): What does it mean? How can we translate it?

I have two examples of this structure which does not obviously correspond to a pattern in English although it is quite common. I'd like to know what it means, why it is used and how it should be ...
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Combinatorical relative clauses

I have 3 sentences, each with relative clause as follows. By considering the English translation, is my understanding correct? A: 私が好きな女性はたばこを吸わない。 A': The woman who likes me does not smoke. ...
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Rules governing formation of adjectival and genitive modifications for Noun-Phrase

The following was observed in sawa's answer to "Can ごとに be replaced by それぞれ in this question?":  ◯ 正月はそれぞれの家が門松を立てる。  × 木村さんはそれぞれの会う人に挨拶している。  ◯ 木村さんは会う人それぞれに挨拶している。 それぞれの会う人 is said to ...
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日本語における relative clause (関係詞節?) とは?

[relative-clauses] のタグをなんとなく眺めてみました。これは、直訳すれば「関係詞節」らしいですが、日本語にこのような文法は存在しますか?というのも、いまいち日本語の文法でこのような文節を意識したことがなく、はたして日本語の文法において関係詞節なるものが存在するのかふと疑問に思ったからです。そして、試しに Google で検索すると英文法についてのサイトがひたすらヒットします。 ...
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「〜に関するN」vs 「〜に関してのN」

In Japanese class, we just learned the grammatical form 「〜に関する」and its various usages. The conjugation 「〜に関しての」was also brought up, and our teacher said that there was virtually no difference between ...
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Commas and relative clauses

Can't find rules on how commas work with relative clauses. Paragraph [click for full text] すると石の下から斜{はす}に自分の方へ向いて青い茎{くき}が伸びて来た。見る間に長くなってちょうど自分の胸のあたりまで来て留まった。と思うと、すらりと揺{ゆら}ぐ茎{くき}の頂{いただき}に、心持首を傾{かたぶ}...
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Head-internal relative clauses

I am trying to figure out head-internal relative clauses. A paper I looked at presented two versions of the same sentence, one with the head word (りんご) outside the relative clause: [皿の上にあった]...
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How to say “Why I started studying Japanese”

I have a Japanese assignment that requires me to write about anything I want. I decided that I wanted to write about why I want to learn Japanese. I think the title should be "Why I want to study ...
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Is 誰か行きたい人 a form of double-headed relative clause?

I came across the phrase "誰か行きたい人" in this thread and I think it would be used in a context like "誰か行きたい人がいるか?". However I am kind of confused by how it works grammatically. Is 誰か行きたい a relative ...
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Is it OK to have more than one が particle in a sentence?

If, for example, I wanted to say "I like the book that my sister gave me", would it be 姉がくれた本が好きです? I'm using Genki to study, but they don't seem to have any examples of this particular structure ...
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How can a verb be in the beginning of a sentence when it is usually at the end? Ex. 折れた淡い翼。

When composing sentences in Japanese, the verb tends to be last right? For example, バナナを食べました。 --> I ate a banana But recently I came across a sentence where the verb was at the beginning of the the ...
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Should the tense of predicate in main clause be the same as the tense of predicate in the relative clause?

It is a very basic question that I need to be confirmed. Consider the following sentence (taken from a book titled Essential Japanese Grammar by Masahiro Tanimori and Eriko Sato). ...
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Must relative clauses attach directly to the noun they are modifying

For example I can write: 日本に行く友達がいる。 I have a friend who is going to Japan But can I write: 日本に行くジョンという友達がいる。 I have a friend, named John, who is going to Japan. Basically, is it ...
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Does 考えさせられる小説 make sense?

Something I learned early on, when I learnt the causative-passive was, that the sentences also make sense, when you drop the causative-passive, e.g. 私はパンを食べさせられた。 私はパンを食べた。 Basically, "it's just a ...
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という usage in relative clauses

I'm going through this tae kim's guide lesson about some uses of いう: http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/define And there is something that I don't understand. In the following sentences: ...
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飲食店が入る雑居ビル vs 飲食店が入った雑居ビル

A news program announced: 〇〇店が入る雑居ビルが全焼した。 I was expecting 〇〇店が入った雑居ビルが全焼した。 as in 「水が入ったグラス」. The former seems like it's saying that the shop was going to be set up in the building sometime ...
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Can 私の手伝いをするの mean “the help I do”?

I found an example from an online dictionary as follows. 彼は私の手伝いをするのを露骨にいやがった。 He showed a great reluctance to help me. Because の in the relative clause「私の手伝いをする」 can be replaced by が, so ...
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Why do people say 小学校の時 or 中学校の時?

When reffering to the school days, people often say 小学校の時, 中学校の時. Even though this may not be wrong, they are shortened forms of relatively complex (redundant) structures. Thus, they are close to the ...
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Trouble with a small excerpt from Tanizaki's Himitsu

I'm having some trouble understanding the following excerpt (from Tanizaki's Himitsu): 甘い匂いのひやひやとした露が、毛穴へ染み入る皮膚のよろこびは格別であった "The sweet scented and chilly dew" does what? "the delight of the skin ...
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Can a question directly modify a noun?

I was surprised by this sentence: 桜の花が今年いつごろ咲くか発表がありました。 There was an announcement saying approximately when the cherry blossom will come out this year. We seem to have a question 桜の花がいつ咲くか ...
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Relative clauses targeting different parts

Consider the main premise as follows, A boy borrowed a pen from a girl. 男の子は女の子にペンを借りました。 Now consider the following additional premises, each with a different conclusion: The boy is Suzuki Shin. ...
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Question on noun modification

The following is from a worksheet on noun modification: 文があいまいにならないように気をつけましょう。 茶色い目のキレイな少女 → 茶色い目がキレイな少女(キレイな茶色の目をした少女) → 茶色い目の、キレイな少女(茶色い目で、ルックスがキレイな少女) → 茶色い、目のキレイな少女(...
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Can the appositive have more than one meaning in a phrase?

I'm looking at this phrase: 俺が話していた男。。。 I don't know if this sentence is correct in the first place, but I feel as if this can be translated two ways, specifically: The man I was talking to......
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Relative clause ending with a noun should be followed by の or である? What is the difference?

According to the book I am reading now, a relative clause ending with noun must be followed by の. But sometimes I also find a relative clause ending with noun that is followed by である. Consider the ...
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Ambiguity in meaning of sentences with a noun qualifed by an adjective with が particle

I was wondering if there is any ambiguity with sentences that have adjectives qualifying a noun, especially regarding the が particle. For example: 1.) 僕が好きな人 Can this sentences have an ambiguous ...
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あなたがこの文のおかしいと思うところは?

The structure strikes me because the underlying transformation seems to be like this: [ あなたが ] [ この文の  ~ところを ] [ おかしいと ] 思う [ あなたが ] [ この文の  _____ ] [ おかしいと ] 思う ところは~ Another similar example is: [ ...
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How do I interpret the Japanese construction of verb+noun?

A) Let's take just transitive verbs first: 食べる人 食べられる人 B) Now let's take intransitive verbs: 起きる人 起きられる人 起こす人 起こされる人 OK, this thing has confused me for a very long time now, like really long. Thus ...
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How to say “that” as in “the cow that ate” in Japanese?

I'm sure there are plenty of resources on this topic, but I don't know what keywords to use to find them. I want to know how you might create a noun by saying that the noun does something. For ...
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What does 「名のある」 mean on this page of Yotsuba&! manga?

I am on ch.82, pg.27 of Yotsuba&! manga. Source : http://raw.senmanga.com/Yotsubato!/82/27 What does bubble in the first panel mean. To be specific, きっと名のある牛だよ! 主なんじゃね!? I understand ...
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Does contraction and elision affect formation of relative clauses?

For example, やらなければならない can modify 時 to form やらなければならない時 and I know that the adjective い ending can simply have a noun appended after it. However when it's contracted to やらなきゃ can I simply add a ...
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The exquisite depths of 和菓子's mind

Consider the following quote from this article: 和菓子は季節とともに変化するもの。パッと見て何を模したかわかる形もあれば、どんな意味が込められているのか考えるものもあり……。 As I understand it, the last clause is supposed to mean "there are ones (ie. certain ...
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What does “忘れてしまう生き物” mean?

この間、時間を見つけては、過去の歴史をひもといてみたのだが、再認識させられたのは、人間というのは、どれほど多くの涙とともに飲み下した教訓であっても、喉元を過ぎたとたんに忘れてしまう生き物であるということだった. Especially, what is "忘れてしまう生き物" supposed to mean in "喉元を過ぎたとたんに忘れてしまう生き物であるということだった" ?
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Object of a sentence ambiguity

The sentence: 守りたいのはあなた This sentence can either mean "The one I want to protect is you" or it can mean "the one who wants to protect (someone else) is you". Any way to distinguish besides context?
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Nominalized verb and connection to noun after が particle

I'm attempting to read a book and I don't understand the grammar 100% here. ジャックはもうすぐ九歳。本を読んだり、自然を観察したりするのが大好きな男の子だ。 Overall, I believe it means: Jack will soon be 9 years old. A lovable boy ...
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Use of ある in this sentence?

The sentence reads ここにあるレストランはどれもおいしくない, and the translation given was "Any and all restaurants that are here are not tasty." When the word ある is used here, how is it able to modify restaurant so that ...
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Is this sentence right? コーヒーがおいしい喫茶店{きっさてん}へ行きたいです。

Can I transform this sentence: おいしいコーヒーがある喫茶店{きっさてん} へ行きたいです。 into this sentence: コーヒーがおいしい喫茶店{きっさてん}へ行きたいです。 ?