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Whenever I'm looking at Japanese there are times where I notice the れる conjugation is cut off. As an example, instead of する turning into される, it changes to されて. From what I know, れる is a past tense so される would be to have done. What does replacing る with て add here? It can't be a gerund considering it is already past tense, and I'm unsure using a request in past tense is appropriate either. Am I looking at this completely wrong?

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  • Why exactly do you think される is past tense?
    – Angelos
    Apr 16, 2023 at 14:14
  • Is it not? Sorry, I haven't gotten up to the れる conjugations from what I've been learning. I thought it was past tense because a source I looked up described it as to have done. I know there are other uses for れる so maybe I misinterpreted the use here.
    – Lemmy123
    Apr 16, 2023 at 14:22

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You have a number of misconceptions here.

The ~て form is not a gerund, for one thing. It has a number of uses, but the main one is either connecting clauses. 「夕ご飯を食べて、寝た」 'I ate dinner, and went to bed' or connecting a verb to an auxiliary verb 「朝ご飯を食べてください」 'Please eat your breakfast'.

~(ら)れる has two uses, sort of. One is the potential form, expressing abilities. 「アレルギーでリンゴは食べられない」 'I can't eat apples, due to allergies', while the other is passive, which means that the subject of the verb is what is being acted upon. 「魚は猫に食べられた」 'The fish was eaten by a cat.'

Now, for ichidan verbs such as 食べる, these forms are identical, but for a godan verb, the passive form replaces the ending -u with -a and adds -reru, while the potential form replacing the ending -u with -e and adds -ru. So 話す has 話せる and 話される. Additionally する is an irregular verb with the passive される and potential できる.

Thus, ~されて might be 'was [some verb]ed, and', or it could form a request like 「騙されないでください!」'Don't be fooled!' There's no contradiction in logic here.

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  • Hmm, so I'm guessing J-talk showing me て as "-ing+" mislead me then.
    – Lemmy123
    Apr 16, 2023 at 14:45
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    @Joeyy14 ~ている does correspond to a certain use of '-ing' but the present progressive ('I'm talking') rather than the gerund ('Talking can be exhausting'). This would be one of the auxiliary verb connections I mentioned.
    – Angelos
    Apr 16, 2023 at 14:48
  • 騙されないでください may not be a good example if your purpose was to explain how 〜されて could be used.
    – aguijonazo
    Apr 16, 2023 at 15:01
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    て-forms are similar to gerundives (or participles in some cases), and a translation that involves an -ing suffix is often appropriate. They are not gerunds; gerunds are a kind of noun (nominalizing a verb so that it can be the subject or object of another verb) whereas gerundives are modifiers (like adjectives and adverbs). Compare "the flying Dutchman" (gerundive) to "I enjoy flying" (gerund). However, unlike English gerundives, the て-form can act like an adverb (modifying a verb) rather than just an adjective. Apr 16, 2023 at 20:21

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