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朝、作文を書いた時、疑問に思いました。

How can I say something like:

I didn't use to like this band.

Before, I didn't like this band.

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JSL comes to the rescue here. The below is quoted directly from chapter 29A of Japanese: The Spoken Language, Part 3 (emphasis and rewriting ローマ字 into Japanese script is my own):

A /predicate + mono da/ denotes regularly recurring activities and states.

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When the predicate preceding mono(もの)is perfective, the pattern describes an activity or state that used to occur on a regular basis. Thus:

子供の時は、お菓子をよく食べたものです。'When I was a child, I used to eat lots of sweets.'

京都にいた時には、お寺や神社を見に行ったものです。'When I was in Kyoto, I used to go to see the temples and shrines.'

前は、魚が嫌いだったものですが、ここへ来てからは、好きになってきました。 'In the past I used to dislike fish, but since coming here, I've come to like it.'

in brief: modify もの with the perfective.

Also, JSL is still underappreciated as a textbook series.

  • This grammar showed up in my practice book as well, but could someone comment on how common this is, especially in daily speech? The sentence in the book was something like, "この公園で僕は子供のころよく遊んだものだ," which looks casual enough to me anyway. – Yeti Ape Jun 8 '18 at 15:51
  • I notice that all the examples given express a positive state in the past, not a negative state.. I wonder if Japanese people would say 好きじゃなかったものですが ? I don't recall hearing "mono" used with a negative this way. Maybe it's rare / doesn't come up in conversation much? – ericfromabeno Jun 10 '18 at 0:31
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このごろまで、このバンドは好きではありませんでした. or

このごろまで、このバンド(が)好きじゃなかった|

I did not like this band until recently.

You can replace このごろまで with 前は (before) but somehow this feels more natural.

(Given the Japanese predilection for double negatives, there may well be an equivalent way of saying "I did not used to" and still convey the same meaning as "I didn't [like___] before but now..." but you might find the parallel construction is used by people of a different age/time or the equivalent expression used by the age/group you have in mind uses completely different grammar.)

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Your initial Japanese sentence doesn't make sense.

Anyway, for "before" or "used too", you can use 昔【むかし】 (long ago), 昔々 (if you really want to emphasize that it was long ago). Or you can simply say 前(は) or 以前(は) for a more "recent" period of before.

以前はこのバンドが好きじゃなかった(けど)。

You could also use かつて to mean "at one time/formerly", but I'm not too familiar with its syntax. I think like

かつての好きじゃないバンド

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    The first example and explanation are fine and I agree, but I don't understand the last one. 好きじゃいバンド does not make sense at all. かつて or かつては could be used to mean in the past but I think the usage is more common in writing, not when speaking. And may sound a bit awkward to use it in the OP's context anyways. – Taro Sato Oct 22 '12 at 20:08
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    「かつての好きじゃないバンド」>> How about 「かつては/前は/以前は好きじゃなかったバンド」"The band that I didn't like before" ? – user1016 Apr 14 '14 at 6:29
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I am going to assume OP isn't asking for direct translation but is asking for ways to say

Previously didn't like the band (but like them now)

  • 前はそのバンドが好きじゃなかった
  • 以前はそのバンドがすきじゃなかった
  • もともとはそのバンドが好きじゃなかった
  • むかしはそのバンドが好きじゃなかった

A bit more complex:

  • 最初からそのバンドが好きだった分けではない
  • そのバンドが好きじゃなかった時期があった
  • そのバンドが好きになったのはあとからだ。
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Given that Japanese natives have commented without mentioning it, perhaps I'm wrong, but it seems like そもそも would make sense.

Trying to estimate the context using your English example, eventually you came to like the band, but originally you did not like it, correct? So, そもそも would see usage like:

そもそもこのバンドあまり好きじゃなかったけど。。。

or maybe

そもそもはじめから好きではありませんでした。

At any rate, I think the lesson from the disparate answers/discussion is that "it's complicated to express this concept, and depends on the situation and context." :D

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    It's complicated in English too! It's colloquial only and people don't agree on whether it should be "didn't used to" or "didn't use to", or different wordings altogether. – hippietrail Apr 16 '14 at 2:21
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    You say そもそも(はじめから) when you still do the action. eg そもそもはじめから好きじゃなかった。 implies 今も好きじゃない. – user1016 Apr 16 '14 at 6:03
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"I didn't used to like this band." = 「私は元々{もともと}このバンドが好{す}きではありませんでした。」
"元々" means "from the beginning/Originally" and the nuance of the sentence has something negative against the band still now.

"Before, I didn't like this band. " =「以前{いぜん}、私はこのバンドが好{す}きではありませんでした。」
On the contrary, this sentence describes his/her evaluation of the band in the past time. However, he/she is changing his/her mind and get to like the band now. The person say the following sentence like 「以前、私はこのバンドが好きではありませんでした。でも、今はとても好きになりました。」. So, the sentence may be a leading line (sentence) that the person have turned into positive or different point of view to the band at present.

  • used to は nagative meaningなのか? – Takahiro Waki Jun 8 '18 at 15:54
  • "used to" doesn't have a negative meaning. "didn't used to X" negates X, but only in the past, and implies that in the present, the opposite is true. – ericfromabeno Jun 10 '18 at 0:12
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This is the kind of expression for which I would rather phrase with "at first" such as "At first, I didn't like this band," for which you'd use 最初. Consider this construction:

最初はこのバンドはあまり好きじゃなかった(けど、でも今好きです。)
At first, I didn't like this band (but now I do).

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I've seen 元【もと】に used in this manner before. It's usually used in contexts along the lines of "originally" or when talking about how things used to be. For example:

大学の頃、*元に*医学を専攻したかった(orを専門にしたかった)けど、1年後経営学に変更した。 "When I was in college I originally wanted to study medicine, but after 1 year I switched to business management."

  • 元に-->I think it's [元々]{もともと} (or maybe [元]{もと}は) ≒最初は・初めは. – user1016 Apr 14 '14 at 6:42

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