Could you please tell me what kind of relation has ~てまでも with ~ないまでも?

(They appear in the same section of my textbook as if they were closely related to each other)

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Thank you so much in advance for your help!

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I think they are not closely related except that both contain までも. 明鏡国語辞典 describes 13 different usages of まで. This Vないまでも is described under category 🈔, subcategory ④, sub-subcategory ㋑. Vてまでも is under 🈔, ①.


🈔① 極端なものを例示して、他はましてと暗示する。「君まで僕を疑うのか」「親にまで見かぎられるとは」「こんな苦労をしてまでも生きねばならないのか」

(... 6 other definitions ...)


  • なるほど、わかりました。お返事どうもありがとうございます!:)
    – Rick
    Sep 5, 2020 at 17:36

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