Hi i was just wondering if i can get feedback if i understood what this sentence is saying.



my rough translation:

With this, person and its conversation simulation is completed

I'm confused why there is a と and what i came up with was the speaker is trying to sound fancy and say something like, "people and their conversations."

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You’ve got the part but aren’t assembling it correctly and you’re zeroing in the very thing that’s getting in your way.


would mean to speak with someone. In your sentence, the verb would be


To say, have a *conversation with someone * you would say


But 会話 can be used as a noun too. In that case you cannot say


That’s not grammatically complete. To complete it you join the two parts with の resulting in


At this point you’re almost done.

To say this person you would have to say この人.

But what you have is これ+で which means “by means of this”.

So the sentence can be rendered as

With this, simulation of a conversation with a person is complete

You should note that the final copulate だ has been omitted.

Regarding the use of と and の

English and some other Germanic languages stand apart in how prepositional constructs can be used to modify nouns. So in English we can say

A conversation with someone

And it makes perfectly good sense. However there are languages don’t allow these sorts of constructs. To convey the same idea a relative clause can be used:

A conversation that is with someone

To our English-language ear this sounds cringy. However not in a language like Japanese. The particle の in Japanese is what creates the glue syntactically and semantically joining 会話 and 人と. Resulting in


There are other examples.

The letter to my friend is on the desk.

In Japanese this must be rendered as


This の in 友達への手紙 is serving the same role as the の in 人との会話.

  • ok noted but im just confused with why is there a と
    – user38996
    Commented Aug 17, 2020 at 16:18
  • と is the particle expressing the idea of “with” when you say you’re having a conversation with someone.
    – A.Ellett
    Commented Aug 17, 2020 at 16:31
  • sorry i phrased it wrong i know what the と particle does but with the の will it be translated to person and their conversations?
    – user38996
    Commented Aug 17, 2020 at 17:00
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    @user38996 See japanese.stackexchange.com/q/17738/5010 and japanese.stackexchange.com/q/33605/5010
    – naruto
    Commented Aug 18, 2020 at 2:03
  • thank you so much
    – user38996
    Commented Aug 18, 2020 at 3:05

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