Both the following two expressions from my text book 完全マスター聴解N1 are explained as とても(高い/人が多かった):



Could someone explain what they are based on/where they come from because although I can try rememeber them as colloquialisms, they ought to based on some conventional grammar.

  • That's a cool book you have!
    – Earthliŋ
    Sep 21 '12 at 16:03
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    Another on similar lines: ~もいいところ
    – Hyperworm
    Sep 21 '12 at 17:03
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    @Hyperworm: Do you have an example? I am interested to know. Tx
    – Tim
    Sep 21 '12 at 18:25

The first sentence could be expanded to

It's not (just) huge. It's humongous.

and the first part would be written as


As for the second sentence, separating the sentence as

人が多かったの 何の って

the 何の is used to repeat the structure of the first part, but could be replaced with anything, indicating that the speaker can't even say there were many people, because "many" isn't enough to describe the situation. The って is used to strengthen the speaker's feeling about what he said, as he is quoting himself in a way, cf.


To compare the two phrases, let's take the sentence


Turning this into

  • 汚かったなんてもんじゃない。
  • 汚かったのなんのって。

the first means that the hotel was extremely dirty and the word "dirty" would not be strong enough to express just how dirty it was, whilst the second means that it was dirty, ugly, etc. and no single word would be sufficient to express the various ways in which it was unpleasant.

A related phrase is

楽しい ったらありゃしない

which comes from

楽しい と言ったら、有りはしない

and also means, very roughly とても, in this case "it was as great as it could possibly have been".

P.S. This use of 何{なん} is the same as seen in


(thanks, Tim).

If 何 is already used, one uses かん instead, as in


  • Thanks (I revised 汚なかった=>汚かった). That's v helpful. [I there is another use of 何の you describe but all I can remember right now is 電話なり何なり and 何だかんだ...?]
    – Tim
    Sep 21 '12 at 18:24

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