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と after counting something and ~と多い here meaning?

The first link says that we can't use concrete numbers but it doesn't seem to be the case in the second link?

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Yes these are different. There are (at least) three ways of using number + counter + と, and they have different nuances.

  1. concrete number + counter + と + adjective

    This is for showing a concrete figure before using an adjective like 大きい/短い/重い. Probably this is a kind of quotative-と. The number/amount can be big, small, or neither.

    • 今回のオリンピックの開催期間は22日間と長かった。
    • アンケートの結果は「とても良い」が15.2%とかなり少なかった。
    • 部屋の温度は23℃と、暑くも寒くもなかった。
  2. abstract number (usually with 何) + counter + と + verb, abstract number + counter + という + noun

    This is used only when the number/amount is big. "no less than", "as much/many as", "millions/thousands/tons of ~", etc.

    • この橋の建設には何百億円とかかっている。
      = この橋の建設には何百億円という費用がかかっている。
    • 彼は兵士を何万人と率いていた。
      = 彼は何万人という兵士を率いていた。
  3. round number + counter + と + negative expression

    "(not) even", "no more than", etc. Used with some small round number and implies the actual number/amount is even smaller.

    • 1時間と歩かずに、その町に到着するでしょう。
    • 全部買っても500円とかからなかった。
    • 彼は非常に多弁であり、5分と黙っていられない。
  • How would you call these usages if you had to refer to them? And do you have references? I have not found much on this subject – user31974 Dec 8 '18 at 1:00
  • Me, neither. デジタル大辞泉 has a definition that corresponds to the third usage above. – naruto Dec 8 '18 at 1:05
  • I saw it, that's unfortunate – user31974 Dec 8 '18 at 1:07
  • What do you mean by 'round number' here? – user26484 Dec 8 '18 at 8:25
  • @user26484 I thought it meant something not overly detailed/precise, such as 100 rather than 92, 50 rather than 49, etc. Perhaps I had to say "nice round number"? – naruto Dec 8 '18 at 8:56

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