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Please read the passage:

四山市のごみの捨て方をお知らせします。4つのごみ箱があります。そして、捨てる日が違います。また、捨てる所も決まっています。注意してください。

Why should we say 捨てる日 and 捨てる所, but 捨て方?(方 is a noun too, just like 日 and 所)

Why don't they use 捨てるの日 and 捨てるの所?

  • what reading are you using for 方? – virmaior Nov 14 '18 at 3:32
  • @virmaior kata. I have the furigana for it. – Enguroo Nov 14 '18 at 3:39
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As described in this question, a masu-stem (aka 連用形, pre-masu form) has a noun-like quality, and they can sometimes directly connects to another noun like a compound. デジタル大辞泉 defines this type of 方【かた】 as a 接尾語 (suffix), and 明鏡国語辞典 defines it as a 造語成分. This means 方 is somewhat special and it never follows an attributive form.

捨てるの所 is plain wrong in Japanese. You can join a verb and a noun using the plain grammar of relative clauses, and there must not be の between them.


So which noun can follow a masu-stem?

方【かた】 and 様【よう】 can follow the masu-stem of any verb. 様 is usually used as part of the idiom ~ようがない/ある.

  • 魔物の倒し方を教わった。
  • 言葉に表し様がない不安を感じる。

Other nouns directly follow the masu-stem mainly as part of fixed expressions. masu-stem + 時【どき】 means "suitable time for ~ing", "good chance for ~ing". masu-stem + 所【どころ】 roughly means "point of ~ing". masu-stem + 物 roughly means "thing to ~". You basically have to memorize them individually.

  • この商品は今が買い時【どき】です!
  • 市場は書き入れ時を迎えている。
  • 彼の説明にはとらえ所がない。
  • この町の見所は駅前の桜並木です。
  • この議論の落とし所が見つからない。
  • 自動販売機で飲み物を買った。

You usually cannot say ゴミの捨て所 or ゴミの捨て時 unless you're speaking jokingly.

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