Recently I found an interesting sentence pattern: "てもいない".

聞いてもいない in 聞いてもいない話を聞かされる

やってもいない in やってもいないことを出来ないと言わない

話してもいない in いきなりマイナス!?話してもいない相手への印象を悪くする行動

思ってもいない in 思ってもいないことを平気で言える女

The question I want to ask is, is it possible to omit the も, or it would sound weird?

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    ericさん 原文は「聞いてもない」「思ってもない」だったのになんで「聞いてもいない」「思ってもいない」に変えちゃうの – Chocolate May 9 '18 at 13:57
  • @Chocolate, I edited it because the question was about “てもいない” pattern, so the parts that said "てもない" were obviously typographical errors on the part of the questioner. – ericfromabeno May 9 '18 at 14:24
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    「聞いてもない」「思ってもない」are not typographical errors. These are just common shortened/contracted forms. – Chocolate May 9 '18 at 14:34
  • I can understand that, but if you read the question, "what does the word GIVE mean, in "gives me the books" ? ... wouldn't you change one of those words so that they both match? That's literally all I did. – ericfromabeno May 9 '18 at 14:48
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    ^ 間違い・タイポでもないのに原文勝手に変えちゃうってどうなんですかね・・・ – Chocolate May 9 '18 at 15:47

I think this も is close to "even".

You can rephrase your examples as 聞いてさえもいない話, やってさえもいないこと and 話してさえもいない相手.

You can omit the も and the sentence loses the meaning of "even".


Omitting the も would change the verb to mean something slightly different.

聞いてもいない = not even listening 聞いていない = not listening

やってもいない = not even doing it やっていない = not doing it

and so on.

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    This answer appears to suggest that ~ている is progressive ('is V-ing') while ~ている is perfective ('have V-ed'), but I don't think the choice between the meanings of ~ている depends on whether or not も is there. One good reference for the meanings of ~ている, freely available online, is Mamori Sugita's 2009 dissertation: mamori.com/Sugita2009.pdf – snailboat May 9 '18 at 11:54
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    「聞いていない」"haven't even heard" 「やっていない」"haven't even done yet" って書くなら、「聞いていない」「やっていない」には "haven't heard" "haven't done yet" を書かないと比較にならないのでは・・?「聞いていない」、「やっていない」は "haven't heard yet", "haven't done yet" って意味と "is not hearing (now)", "is not doing (now)" の(少なくとも)両方の意味があるので。 – Chocolate May 9 '18 at 13:28
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    I'll try rephrasing. Your answer suggests that the difference between these two meanings (be V-ing and have V-ed) depends on whether も is there. However, it can have either meaning regardless of whether も is there. – snailboat May 9 '18 at 14:03
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    Hmm, we don't appear to be communicating very effectively. I'll try a third time. No, I do believe the "even" meaning changes; that's what も adds in this case, as Yuuichi Tam points out. But your answer suggests that the examples with も have the 'have V-ed' meaning, while the examples without も have the 'be V-ing' meaning, which is strange since simply adding or removing も shouldn't cause that shift in meaning, particularly when the rest of the sentence gives enough context to understand which of the aspectual meanings ~ている should have. – snailboat May 9 '18 at 14:39
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    ^ ほんじゃ「聞いてもいない = have not even heard 聞いていない = have not heard やってもいない = have not even done やっていない = have not done」 にしたらいいやん・・・ and so on. – Chocolate May 9 '18 at 15:45

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