# mittsu vs san - what's the difference and what are these two forms called?

I am trying to learn the numbers and I see there are two different translations for the number 3 (and other numbers). When should I use one and when should I use the other? Is there a name for the type of number that "san" is and the type of number that "mittsu" is?

• en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_numerals Commented Jan 15, 2017 at 9:33
• It's complicated. The numbers change depending on what you are counting. Most of the time you need a special counter word that goes with the number. Some of them change the way the number is written. I suggest you research "Japanese counters" on the internet and ask here again if you have a more specific question. Commented Jan 15, 2017 at 9:33

There are mainly two types of numbers used in Japanese:

• native Japanese numbers (和語数詞 wago sūshi)

1 ひと hito, 　2 ふた futa, 　3 み mi, 　4 よ yo, 　5 いつ itsu, 　6 む mu, 　7 なな nana, 　8 や ya, 　9 ここの kokono, 　10 と to, 　...

• Chinese-derived numbers (漢語数詞 kango sūshi)

1 いち ichi, 　2 に ni, 　3 さん san, 　4 し shi, 　5 ご go, 　6 ろく roku, 　7 しち shichi, 　8 はち hachi, 　9 きゅう kyū, 　10 じゅう , 　...

(Some counters may also take English-derived numbers (英語数詞 eigo sūshi) ワン wan "one", ツー tsū "two", スリー surī "three" in low numbers.)

Caveat. Depending on the counter word coming after it, these numbers may slightly change.

### mittsu

The native みっつ mittsu is of the form [number] + [counter word], where the number is the native Japanese み mi that goes with the counter word ～つ (a generic counter for objects) and

み + ～つ → みつ. (See the above caveat.)

### san

さん san is of the form [number], where the number belongs to the Chinese-derived counting system. It cannot be used to count anything (items, people, ...) by itself.

However, for counting by itself (e.g. during exercise, hide-and-seek, etc.) the Chinese-derived numbers are used (sometimes しち is replaced by なな).

During counting, these are often pronounced rhythmically

イチ【HL】、　ニー【HL】、　サン【HL】、　シー【HL】、　ゴー【HL】、　ロク【HL】、　シチ【HL】、　ハチ【HL】、　キュウ【HHL】、　ジュウ【HHL】

even though they are always written as above.