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I teach English at an elementary school in Japan. While working I normally call the teachers by their last name plus 先生. Like 田中先生 for example.

However, after work, let's say 田中先生 invites me to have a drink at an 居酒屋。Am I still expected to call him (or her)「先生」 even if it's just the two of us and we're outside of school? Would it be rude or inappropriate to call him 田中さん? Does the teacher's age or gender make a big difference?

Thanks

Edit: Thanks for the replies! If I was Professor Moriarty's student, I would call him Professor. If he was a co-worker that I've known for years and consider a friend, I imagine at some point I would start calling him by his first name. In America, I think most people let a person know when they can use their first name or nickname by directly saying something like "Call me Bob!".

How about Japan? When a Japanese person becomes friends with someone, do they usually say, "You can call me ...!"? Switching from first names to last names or knowing when I can drop さん or 先生 has always been confusing for me.

Do you think it would be OK if I just asked directly? Like, "Can I call you ...?"

Edit 2:

To answer some of the questions asked,

I am an ALT. I've been teaching at this school for 2 years. I normally try to use 敬語 and always use です and ます。 Most of the teachers speak informally to me and don't use much 敬語。But most of the teachers are a lot older than me, so I'm not sure if it's because I'm younger or if it's an invitation for me to speak to them casually.

Thanks again!

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This question is largely about culture but a place where culture and language interact.

I work at a university in Japan and both on and off campus, we call each other 苗字 (family name)-先生. There's one or two exceptions where a 高橋 goes by her first name (one of four takahashi's).

Japan is a relationally organized society, and the manner in which you know the teachers there is as teachers. Thus, I think it will be off-putting if you switch from 先生 to さん. I'd say it's more likely to switch to given names than for it to be appropriate to call him 田中さん. (tldr: imagine switching from calling someone Professor Moriarty to calling him Mr. Moriarty. It'd be kind of weird right?)

In terms of what will happen in your environment. There's a few things to consider here as to what is possible. The three possibilities are (let's say his name is 田中[良和]{よしかず}):

  1. You will continue calling him 田中先生
  2. You will start to call him よしかず (if he wants to and suggests switching to first names).
  3. You will start calling him a nickname like よっちゃん or something (if you have that sort of friendly relationship).

What will not happen is that you will switch from 田中先生 to 田中さん because that makes no sense to do. As I stated above, it's not a sign of familiarity to change from Professor Moriarty to Mr. Moriarty.

What seems to affect whether you have something like 2 or 3. I'd suggest two factors:

First, while you write I teach English at an elementary school in Japan, if you work as an ALT, then according to the Japanese educational system, you're technically not a teacher. I mention this not because I agree with the assessment but because that may affect the expectations of the 教諭 who work with you there. (tldr: do they think of you as a teacher like them or something else?)

Second, many Japanese expect that foreigners prefer to be called by their first names but don't necessarily want to be called in this way themselves. I don't know if there's a strongly age-based pattern to this but this might affect whether the teacher wants to feel close by communicating with first names.


Can you ask from your side if you can call him よしかず or よっちゃん?

My first question would be how you're communicating with him now. Do you use 敬語[けいご]? Do you use endings like ます (for instance 食べます) and です? Does he speak to you casually ?

If the answer to any of these questions is no, then there's no linguistic signal that this is a good idea.

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Normally when the Japanese company workers go out for the 飲み会(party) with their Manager or Boss they call them 部長 or 社長 only.

In the same way your students will call you as ~先生 even after they graduated/move to higher education.

Usually it's difficult for you to call it as 田中さん because you used 田中先生 all the time to call him/her. However if you're friend to that person you can call with lastname + san, or just with firstname. But if you only known them as a colleague, better to call them as a 先生。

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As an 83-year old Japanese, I’ve been either long puzzled why school teachers in primary school and junior high school teachers are calling each other “先生.”

In our conversation in business world, we call senior persons simply by their titles, eg, 社長、専務、常務、局長、本部長、部長、課長, 係長、主任, or 支店長 (of banks, car dealers)、店長, マスター (of retail shops and eateries,) often ommitting their name, e.g. 田中、伊藤、中村, but we don’t call our colleagues 先生. Instead, we suffix 君, さん onto their name, or simply call by their name without adding an honorific title.

先生 is also often heard in hospitals and law farms, where doctors and lawyers call each other 先生. Lawyers in a big law firm I was in contact when I was in office used to call their co-workers "xx 先生" each other.

先生 is also used in a derisive way, for example;

先生、よく言うわ – What a nonsense, he tells!

あの先生がやらかしたことだ – This is what that guy did!

Calling 先生 each other seems to be a nostalgic remnant of the age and society where school teachers, doctors, and lawyers were once regarded as a privileged class or an esteemed profession to me.

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