I've taken up reading the manga "Fruits Basket", with the intention of trying to understand every word and grammar point if I possibly can.
There is a conversation, starting on page 27 of the first volume, between Shigure and Yuki. They are cousins, sharing a house. Shigure is an adult, Yuki is a high-school student. They are not very good at house work like cooking and cleaning. In this scene they are walking through a forest, returning home from dining out:
[紫呉] あーあ、もうこんな時間か。毎日夕食が出前か外食だと疲れちゃうなぁ。
[由希] じゃあ紫呉が食事作ってよ。
[紫呉] 作ったって文句言うじゃないか君は。
[由希] カレーの中にたくあんが入ってれば文句の一つも言いたくなるよ。
[紫呉] 由希君は頭はいいくせに家事一般だけはだめだし、やっぱだらけた男二人暮らしには“花”が必要だねぇ。
* 花ってなす女性の事さ。
[由希] 気楽だね紫呉は。
[紫呉] 何を言う。花あってこその男じゃないですか…
(Conversation ends here as they spot the main character nearby)
My problem is mainly with the last two lines there.
- What is Yuki saying, exactly? It seems to mean something like "You live comfortably, Shigure", but I don't understand how it relates to what Shigure said about needing a woman around the house.
- What is Shigure saying?
- What does 花あってこその男 mean? I tried to look for similar expressions and it seems that
[noun]あってこその[noun]
is not uncommon, but I can't figure out what it means exactly. - What confuses me even further is the じゃないですか at the end. I'm not sure if it's a genuine question or the common rhetoric question that is really an assertion...
- And so, I'm not sure whether the 花あってこその男 refers to Yuki or to Shigure himself.
- And how does it relate to what Yuki was saying?
- What does 花あってこその男 mean? I tried to look for similar expressions and it seems that
Edit
Here are a few similar あってこその
phrases that I picked off Google, but couldn't really understand:
- あの時代あってこその今
- 人あってこその環境省
- マイナスあってこそのプラス
- 失敗あってこその現在
Note that in none of them is there a particle before the あってこそ, and there is a の following it.
Note also: the なす in the footnote about 花 is suspect - this part is written in handwriting so it was hard for me to decipher. Nevertheless, Shigure is absolutely talking about needing a woman around the house, as by the end of the chapter, they get one - Tohru Honda, the main protagonist.