I was recently trying to make an open-ended enumeration of places in a construction that would require the use of a に particle. E.g.:


or even:

A[and the like]に行こう

Preferably using a stronger indicator of open-endedness, such as 等 (to me や only has a weak implication of other possibilities, whereas here I want to convey the idea of "places like A [or B]"). But then I realised that the combination of に and 等 did not sound quite right, and even if it was, I had no idea how it would go (Aに等? A等に?)...

Thus my question:

Can 等 (or a suitably similar word for "and the like") ever be used with a に/で construction? (not necessarily just locations... Tools or "means" as well: AやBで行こう)

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A particle normally follows など.

and are marked as optional (my dictionary puts them in parenthesis).

For tools: フォークやスプーンなど食べる人もいる。 "There are also people who eat it with things like forks and spoons."

For places: 夏休みはXやYなど(に)行きましょうか。"Shall we go to places like X or Y for the summer vacation?"

Interestingly, my dictionary says that if the particles precede など, the sentence is given a derogatory meaning. (, and cannot precede など)

箸でなど食べられない。 "We can't eat with the damned chopsticks."

Alternatively I think you can try:

For places: Xのような場所 "Places like X"

For tools: Xのような道具 "Tools like X"

And by extension: XのようなY "Y like X" for other categories of things you might think of.

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    ホーク should be フォーク. You are not making the necessary discinction between A, etc. (includes A) and things like A (usually does not include A).
    – user458
    Jul 31, 2011 at 16:32

It is okay to say などに and などで, but they may sound slightly formal nowadays. A more casual way of saying it is using とか: とかに and とかで.

  • Thanks for the precision. Are you saying that 等に would sound more formal than just 等 in a sentence?
    – Dave
    Aug 1, 2011 at 7:54
  • @Dave With or without , sounds slightly formal. If you read as 'tou', it is even more formal.
    – user458
    Aug 1, 2011 at 12:42
  • OK. I see what you mean... In that case I am fine with the same level of formality as 等.
    – Dave
    Aug 2, 2011 at 8:26

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