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I encountered this phrase and after a bit of Googling, it seems to describe the action of crowding around a particular thing or object (people crowding around someone, trees crowding around a building) but doesn't 取り囲む itself also describe that action? Does omitting the 周囲 change the effect of its use in sentences or is it more similar to an idiomatic set phrase?

The sentence i saw it in was:

周囲を取り囲むように大勢の学生が集まっている。

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    There's also 周囲を取り巻く. – snailplane Feb 7 '15 at 21:47
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Japanese motion verbs utilize the particle を for both object and place the action takes place. So you can equally say:

彼を取り囲む。
周囲を取り囲む。
彼の周囲を取り囲む。

but not:

× 彼を周囲を取り囲む。 (same case particle cannot be repeated in one clause)

In my opinion, the 周囲を取り囲む version has slightly more "completely surrounded" nuance, but it barely matters in the usual case. Also, the 周囲 can be used as good as a "dummy noun" to bypass obvious pronouns like him, her, it etc. in English. We hate pronouns.

If you'd look for similar expressions in Japanese, they abound:

上を見上げる
後ろを振り返る
下に落ちる
前に進む

Of course, you don't want to translate them literally.

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(from http://www.inquisitr.com/6826/for-restrooms-go-back-toward-your-behind/)

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  • I upvoted, though where is the proof that 周囲 could be a "dummy noun"????????? Ex, when you speak "ビルの周囲", that denotes the space surrounding the building. As I said, I bet this would be the crowd of people itself, = mass = since it is like a far stretching fence. So like you said, it comes to denote "completely surrounding". – user7644 Feb 12 '15 at 15:17
  • It might sound to you as a "dummy noun", however it is not. Why it sounds you so could be because the size of the "space" is not specified. If it is a dummy noun, it is so categorized in the dictionary too. kotobank.jp/word/%E5%91%A8%E5%9B%B2-526234. However, sorry, it is not. So it denotes "surround certain but unspecified size of space" – user7644 Feb 12 '15 at 15:24
  • So, for example, we say, "周囲4kⅿに渡り”, denoting "expanding 4 square kilo meters", this implies the word 周囲 does not specify the size of itself. – user7644 Feb 12 '15 at 15:41
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    I don't think any dictionary categorize something as "dummy", because it's function rather than grammar. You know, we say "live a life", "dance a dance" or "laugh a laugh" in English, where the latter nouns are almost empty in meaning. I tried to explain these kind of matters with "dummy", in analogy of dummy pronouns. – broken laptop Feb 13 '15 at 6:08
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    Yes, I know about the "dummy pronouns", like "I think it is nice for you to play here"'s "it". And what is the relationship between the question and the photo you uploaded??? – user7644 Feb 13 '15 at 8:22

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