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In this thread on japan-guide.com, we find two seemingly contradictory statements concerning the conditional particle .

One poster states:

If A & B are the same subject, B must be non-volitional. Otherwise, B can be volitional, e.g.:

[日本]{にほん}へ[行]{い}けば, [富士山]{ふじさん}がみられます

Another poster states that were used in expressions which reflect the speaker's will,judgment, permission, view, order or request, e.g.:

[安]{やす}ければ、買(か)います
[早]{はや}く起(お)きられれば、 [電話]{でんわ}をかけます/します

How do we reconcile these two statements?

Both do seem correct on their own.

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    "An opinion"? "Another"? What are your sources? – snailcar Nov 13 '14 at 9:17
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    Google never ceases to surprise me. Just search that thread for "reflect the speaker's will," and "If A & B are the same subject" to locate the relevant posts. – blutorange Nov 13 '14 at 12:03
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Gramatically there is no restriction on volatility. Practically, however, the first presenter’s rule is partially correct.

If you say:

× 早く起きれば、電話します。

Japanese listener thinks:

It is you that decides whether to wake up early or not. Thus, you must know whether you will make a call or not.

On the other hand:

⚪︎ 早く起きられれば、電話します。

is acceptable, because you don't know yet whether you can wake up early or not.

  • So,would '早く起くなら,電話します' be better - turning the driving clause to be an assumption rather than a condition? – IUnknown Nov 14 '14 at 2:35
  • @IUnknown “起きるなら” will arise same feeling as “起きれば”. – a user Nov 14 '14 at 4:46
  • So that would be incorrect too. – IUnknown Nov 14 '14 at 4:52

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