8

I have noticed in various environments that some people will sometimes, when speaking to someone of lower status, say おつかれさん instead of お疲れ様. Similarly one might hear ご苦労さん instead of ご苦労様. I've looked in dictionaries, and they say that this usage of さん is simply a change in sound from the original さま. This suggests that it might be correct usage, but it does not make an explicit remark about politeness, and if it really is just a change in sound, then theoretically one should be able to say it to those of higher status. In my experience, though, it has been used exclusively to lower status individuals.

My assumption was that it's a kind of play on words turning さま into さん like the honorifics despite the original meaning of 様 in this case, however looking it up and seeing that it is actually a shortening made me unsure. What is the Real Right Way to use it?

4 Answers 4

5

Your observation is correct. I'm not sure about the etymology, but as a matter of fact, we can use 「お疲れさん」 to someone whose status is equal to or lower than ourselves. Addressing it to your boss is clearly rude.

Personally, I usually stick to 「お疲れさまです」 in a business setting, because I think saying お疲れさん is over-friendly and shows little or no respect. Even when I talk to my colleague who is 10 years younger than me, I would at most use either 「お疲れさんです」 or 「お疲れさま」. Although it depends from company to company, I don't recommend you become the first person to use 「お疲れさん」 in your office.

As for ご苦労さま(です), a majority of people believe it should not be addressed to those of higher status than ourselves. Some people think it's OK, but I'd rather not take an unnecessary risk here.

2

The nature of sound shortening is often, due to the environment that spawns such changes, rather 'casual' and colloquial. Much like how 様 and さん have relatively different levels of 'politeness' so do お疲れさま and お疲れさん. (Speaking merely from personal experience, I have only used お疲れさん among friends and casual acquaintances in informal situations. Among equal colleagues, in working / formal environments I have never heard such abbreviation of お疲れ様)

This will likely be the main reason you will not have heard it said by and individual of lower status, to one higher status. (i.e. it would be impolite to do so.)

(As a side note, another reason will be due to a long standing societal norm that 労い/慰労 'thank or praise for ones efforts / work' is a 'one way road'. Said by those of higher status to those of lower. お疲れ様 carries such a nuance and can thus be seen as rude when one of lower status says it to one of higher status. The stronger nuance contained in ご苦労様 even more so.) ...That being said, this topic is under discussion in Japan, language is ever changing and it is inconvenient not to have an equivalent お疲れ様 phrase for lower > higher status word transactions.

In regards to your speculation of it being a play of words 様 to さん; I would speculate that it is much more likely that rather than any cognitive attempt of being witty, it is rather pure linguistic change brought about by the same environmental factors that spawned さん from 様.

To thus answer the question, it is a perfectly sound and linguistically 'correct' phrase to use and its meaning will almost certainly be understood. Whether the environment such a phrase is in used and the relative social status of the speaker and receiver will allow for it to be considered 'correct' usage in context however... well, this can really only depend on the relationship between the speaker / receiver and how the receiver feels about such language being used at the given time and place.

To err on the side of safety, お疲れ様です/でした is likely to cause the least ripples (= likely to be considered the 'correct' approach)

2

Basically,

from low to high (and high to low)
お疲れさまです

from high to low
ご苦労様です
お疲れさん
ご苦労さん

In many cases, the act of 省略 generally decreases the level of honour.

0

Just a little insight as an ALt in a junior highschool in Japan; The head of the English department as well as the vice-principle would often say ご苦労さん to students at the end of the day, instead of ご苦労様. I always thought they said it in that way to seem friendly to the students.

You must log in to answer this question.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged .