Is it an abbreviation of a longer phrase? Or is it just kind of like the American street slang, "And what..?" As in, "You think you're hot? And what..?"

But in this case perhaps it is almost like asking if the listener had any "buts" or objections to the statement.

And you think that anger would make me flinch?

`You're going to verify THAT?'

Like I need you to tell me that.

'What would you have it?' said the Queen. (from Alice in Wonderland)

So what if I am gay? Is it a crime?



  • Agh, damn. I didn't see this and answered in the other question... Mhhh.
    – Hyperworm
    Commented Jun 21, 2013 at 23:16
  • @ Hyperworm, I'll accept that as an answer if you provide a source or are a native speaker/super fluent. I am just a little wary as none of the translations provided on alc used "or something," but perhaps that is just a matter of translators preference.
    – yadokari
    Commented Jun 21, 2013 at 23:40
  • Japanese dictionaries don't include entries for とでも, but it's relatively common. I think that's evidence that lexicographers see it as the simple combination of and でも. If it meant something different, I think it'd be considered common enough to get an entry in at least some dictionaries. (Of course, I'm not a native speaker, nor am I "super fluent"!)
    – user1478
    Commented Jun 22, 2013 at 8:24
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    @yadokari If you decide to accept Hyperworm's explanation in the answer on the other question, could you please mark this as a duplicate ("already has an answer on another question")? (I'm not trying to make you decide whether to accept it, of course. If you don't feel it's been answered, then do as you see fit :-) )
    – user1478
    Commented Jun 26, 2013 at 1:06

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In these cases, '思っているのか?' or '言いたいのか?' is omitted.

そんな[怒]{いか}りに[妾]{わらわ}が[怯]{ひる}むとでも思っているのか? or

あなたに言われないと分からないとでも思っているのか? or

「ほかになりようがあるとでも思っているのですか?」と女王さま。 or

同性愛者ですが何か?それが[犯罪]{はんざい}だとでも思っているのですか? or

~と思う、~と言う is basic form.
でも(副助詞) adds some emphasis.

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