# Difference between progressive verb forms and i-adjectives

I'm wondering, for adjectives such as 太い and　悲しい that also have a progressive "to be" verb counterpart (i.e., 太っている and 悲しんでいる), what is the difference between using the i-adjective form and the verb form?

E.g.: 太っている人 vs　太い人。　悲しんでいる人　vs 悲しい人。

• Read this answer for a discussion of 太い vs 太っている since they don't quite mean the same thing. – istrasci Apr 8 '13 at 14:51

First off, you cannot really think of ている as "progressive verb" because it represents more than that. Second, you're right that there are adjectives, but these ている forms are not forms of the adjective but rather forms of their respective verbs, 太る and 悲しむ.

ている in the case of 太っている represents a resultant state. 太る on its own means simply "to get fat," so if you say 私は太ります it doesn't mean "I am fat" but rather "I will get fat." So by saying 太っている you are expressing a resultant state, namely that you have gotten fat (太って) and still are fat (いる).

Now for meat'n'taters of what you're asking: the difference in usage. 太い refers generally to cylindrical objects, like a tube or a string or a tree or something with a large diameter. You can refer to a person as 太い but it would sound a little more.. mean, I think. For example, you could safely someone's fingers are 太い, supposing they weren't self conscious about it.

Last, 悲しい can be used to describe things as well as people. So you can have a movie that is sad, a 悲しい映画, but you cannot have a 悲しんでいる映画.

• So, (disregarding semantics) does 太っている　neccessarily imply that the noun was previously in a state of not being fat, but later got fat? As opposed to 太い which has no such implications？ – user2052561 Apr 8 '13 at 2:12
• Yes, but only relative to 'normal' human size. 太る as a verb refers specifically to humans/animals gaining weight, as in the opposite of 痩{や}せる (to lose weight). 太い has no animal connotations and refers specifically to a more innate physical property, as in the opposite of 細{ほそ}い. And for the record, alc's entry for 太い人 lists "chubbafats" as the translation, so there you go. – ssb Apr 8 '13 at 2:24
• Okay, thanks for all the help! "chubbafats" -- haha. Not familiar with that term – user2052561 Apr 8 '13 at 2:39
• I don't think そのパンダは太っている necessarily means that the panda was once skinny and then got fat. It simply means it is fat. If you wanted to say "got fat" you'd say そのパンダは太った. – Darius Jahandarie Apr 8 '13 at 3:58
• Yeah sorry, you're totally right about that. I was talking solely in terms of people. @user2052561 Please take note that this doesn't necessarily imply a transition from not-fat to fat; it just means fat by whatever subjective measure you want to use. – ssb Apr 8 '13 at 4:37