Timeline for Did the られる potential form come from 得る?
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| Sep 20, 2021 at 18:32 | comment | added | Eiríkr Útlendi | Note that my comment here is purely about dedicated potential forms like 切る【きる】 → 切れる【きれる】 or 飲む【のむ】 → 飲める【のめる】, and is separate from the common use of the passive to express possibility. | |
| Sep 20, 2021 at 17:47 | comment | added | Eiríkr Útlendi | @sbkgs4686, there is a more recent paper from 2016 by 三宅俊浩, entitled 「可能動詞の成立」, which makes a very compelling argument that the 可能動詞 forms did not arise from the passive, but rather from a 二段活用 shift from 四段 verbs, wherein transitive verbs were used intransitively to express how something does an action. This is similar to the use of the ergative in English, where a transitive verb is used intransitively with the object used as the subject instead -- "this car drives easily", or "this bread bakes well". | |
| Sep 7, 2020 at 18:31 | comment | added | F.X. | Thank you for the summary (and for the links!), this is super interesting! And while these historical bits of info are hard to search for at my Japanese level they also happen to help getting some grammatical points of the modern language into my brain ;) | |
| Sep 7, 2020 at 18:27 | vote | accept | F.X. | ||
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| Sep 6, 2020 at 22:01 | history | answered | sbkgs4686 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |