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Jan
27
comment Sentence level pitch accent for 標準語
It listed 四季の歌 (LH.L.LH). @Matt -- do you know if NHK and Shinmeikai both use the same rules (ie. rule 71 is the same in both)?
Jan
27
comment Sentence level pitch accent for 標準語
After looking at the Shinmeikai, it appears that non-single-mora nouns with accent on the last mora (like 山) become flat before の. However, this only applies to single-morpheme nouns, as compound nouns made up of two words are not affected by の. Numbers also seem unaffected. Note that on the contrary, an accentless verb will go down just before (泣くのLHL).
Jan
26
comment Sentence level pitch accent for 標準語
Just thought I'd add something about "sentence-level" pitch -- I don't think there's such a thing. Pitch works at the level of phrases, so within the noun phrase, or the verb phrase, for instance, as pitch changes when two words come together, gobi change the pitch of accented verbs or adjectives, etc.
Jan
26
comment Sentence level pitch accent for 標準語
I agree with what you've both said -- 日 has different pitch whether it's day or sun, and あの人 is lexicalized. As for the の problem, Matt seems to imply that the levelling only occurs when the accent is on the last mora, so perhaps accent in that position is more vulnerable; however, I have to agree with you that something else seems to be in play. I only have my electronic NHK dictionary on hand, I'll have to check the paper version at home to see if the の or この entries point to any kind of rule.
Jan
25
comment Voiced or unvoiced syllables in compound words
In trying to account for 青空, 夜空, 星空 with rendaku but 美空 without, might the fact that only the latter has no accent play a role? 美空 has no accent in jdic, but I'm not sure how the name is actually pronounced (as 3-syll names usually have pitch on the 1st).
Jan
25
comment Pronouncing が as 'nga'
There are actually specific rules governing when g can be ng. It's true that it can't happen word-initially (which is more specific than "between vowels", especially since [んが] can be ng), but there are also rules governing when ng is allowed or not in compound words for instance. I have no idea whether native speakers would readily identify using g instead of ng or vice-versa as a mistake per se.
Nov
11
comment Is the pitch data correct in this pdf file intended for learners?
@Matt -- I don't know about "ready to go". I wanted to group the info in a format that's easier to remember. 射て is easy to account for, but I didn't expect 帰って(-4)! I'll be darned!
Nov
11
comment Is the pitch data correct in this pdf file intended for learners?
I would gladly have taken the time to ask the question properly but there must be over 60 verb forms on the pdf, so I think it would be impractical to post them all here. I will try to consider a different way to ask.
Nov
11
comment Is the pitch data correct in this pdf file intended for learners?
I could take the data from the pdf page and add it to the question, but it would be quite long...
Nov
11
comment Is the pitch data correct in this pdf file intended for learners?
sawa, how about "Bold indicates accented mora"? There either is a single accented mora or there isn't, and the table would be preceded by basic pitch information that would teach the learner to derive the height of all other morae.
Nov
11
comment Is the pitch data correct in this pdf file intended for learners?
Right, the line is redundant in a sense. I assumed it would make it clearer. And I shouldn't have it in the "No effect" section at first. There are a few logistical issues to fix.
Nov
4
comment What is the difference between 「食べるいいですか」 and 「食べていいですか」
About the meaning of the -te form... In this example, it's not a form of command. -te form can have many meanings, and in this case, it's used to connect the verb to the i-adj, which acts as a verb. Literally, it's something like "I eat and it's okay?".
Nov
3
comment の as a substitute for beings
"thing" is a noun that refers to inanimate objects, not human beings, sure, but の is just a particle and as such carries no information about animacy.
Oct
25
comment What are the rules regarding “mute vowels” (“u” after “s” and “i” after “sh”)?
Excellent answer. I just wanted to add that devoicing is generally a gradual process: a voiceless consonant will always somewhat devoice the following vowel at its onset, and consequently, the shorter the vowel the less likely it is that it will be voiced, and the longer the vowel, the more likely some kind of voicing will surface. "desu" is often noted as a perfect example of devoicing, but it's not -- it's quite common to hear people say something like "sou desuuuu" and make the u long and voiced.
Oct
24
comment の as a substitute for beings
I see no reason の couldn't replace a person either. I'd translate your sentence as "Who's the one who can't see?".
Oct
23
comment Does it matter whether you drop vowels in spoken Japanese?
It's aOi with LHL pitch. They didn't understand because pitch was incorrect.
Oct
22
comment How is たら used as a particle?
どう is understood as a replacement for any unnamed verb or adjective, kind of like blabla this, blabla that.