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Taking an example from a page naruto linked in another thread:

外国人が日本語を習得するで難しい点がたくさんあります。

My inclination is to read this as うえ since it's followed by で, however I've got a nagging feeling it might be read as じょう instead.

  • Is my instinct correct in that it's read as うえ?
  • Are there times where 連体形 + じょう is the appropriate way to read it?
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I may be wrong, but isn't this the 連体形? –  ssb Jun 16 at 23:54
    
@snailboat Expert opinion? –  Kaji Jun 16 at 23:55
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Um, I don't claim to be an expert :-) But since you asked I can comment anyway. I would call it the 連体形 rather than 終止形 because it's adnominalized to a noun, but since 連体形・終止形 have merged for verbs, it doesn't seem like an important distinction to me. –  snailboat Jun 17 at 0:33
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I'd consider it 連体形 as well. But as @snailboat notes, it hardly matters for verbs anymore. But consider the 形容動詞 for which the distinction may still be noted. ~なる上. –  Dono Jun 17 at 0:52

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It is read ウエ as you were inclined to think. I do not believe there are any times when it would be read as ジョウ after a dictionary form. It is read as ジョウ when appearing directly after a noun.

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Ah, noun + 上 may have been what was causing my confusion then. Thanks! –  Kaji Jun 16 at 20:46
    
Maybe I'm not familiar with the term "dictionary form". So クラウド is not a dictionary form? –  dainichi Jun 16 at 23:35
    
@dainichi By "dictionary form" I'm referring to how you would look the word up in the dictionary. Since Japanese nouns are fairly stable in nature, it's usually used to refer to 終止形 verbs, and occasionally to い-adjectives (not sure of the name for the base form there). –  Kaji Jun 16 at 23:51
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@dainichi Material for Japanese learners frequently uses the term "dictionary form" (or 辞書形) to refer to the 終止形・連体形 of verbs, since that is their citation form in dictionaries. See, e.g. jpfmw.ru/assets/files/Nihongo_kyozai/… or, I imagine, any introductory textbook for English-speaking Japanese learners. –  senshin Jun 17 at 0:51

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